When Heather Oram and her husband started pursuing adoption, they never imagined they would have two kids and two different birth moms within 4 months of each other. It would have been easy to close themselves off, but instead they chose open adoption.

Suffering...It's one of those things we all want to avoid but inevitably finds its way into our lives. So how do we suffer well? Can we endure more than we think? Few people have as much to share in this area than our guest Liz Griffin. 

After suffering through a complicated six year adoption process, Liz and her husband finally brought their two children home. Two years later, at the age of 33, Liz suffered a stroke. This led to the discovery of brain aneurysms, a thyroid tumor, a heart defect, and a long road to recovery. But with incredible suffering comes incredible wisdom, and Liz is gracious enough to share it with us. 

Who am I? This is a question many of us ask for a variety of different reasons. But often this question gets amplified and infinitely more complicated with adoption. So how do we navigate these complexities as a parent guiding an adopted child, or as someone who was adopted? You talk to someone with experience.

Our guest, Zawadi, was born in rural DRC where his mother died in childbirth. He was adopted by white parents and lived in Eastern Africa for years before moving to America where he dealt with issues of identity, racism, and trying to fit in. Zawadi is now an adult with a wife and family that includes an adopted child of his own.

Now matter what side of adoption you come from, Zawadi's calm presence and personal story bring a wisdom, experience, and perspective that we can all learn from.